Aug. 14th, 2012 12:57 am
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I still dislike Deaton. I have a lot of feelings about this. I think he wanted to eliminate Gerard and Scott was the path of least resistance. Also, hey asshole, if you promnised Derek's mom you'd care for him, why are you obsessed with Scott McCall? And withholding all the information.

Oh and your ~advice re: Peter? THE WORST.

And let it be known. I was in love with Peter all of S2. As young!Peter before we knew it was him, and while he was mindfuckoing and ruining Lydia. I loved him. I loved his creepy broken self while he tried to piece himself back together. Even kind of while he broke my bb Derek. I knew he wouldn't be bad. I motherfucking knew it. And his sassy side? It's even better.

So Deaton can suck it. And um...everyone who is team peter after tonight's episode can also suck it (did I mention my thoughts were crazycakes? they are.)

I am Team Hale. And Team Pack. AND TEAM DEREK.

But ohmygod. Jackson/Lydia. That scene was the most beautiful thing ever.And so was Jackson's turning into a werewolf. Though I am sad there were no wings. SAD.

But as things stand now, while I think that Jeff Davis did a fantastic job of writing this finale, I'm still worried. This finale is basically the PERFECT set up for the PACK FIC that everyone wrote in the S1 hiatus. I think he read it. And I'm worried he'll do too much for fanservice. Gonna put it on the backburner though because this episode was perfect.

Chris Argent was perfect.

Allison... *forced smile* I hope she's okay. I am glad Scott is giving her the time she obviously needs to properly grieve the death of her aunt and her mother, and that things are all calm now so she and her father can just take their time to regroup without supernatural things happening.

Gerard is ... obviously not dead. I think Deaton might've cleaned him up, or will be tracking him while he dies.

Beacon Hills High needs a new principal though. Perhaps someone from the alphas? But that's too...idk. Already had a big bad as principal. BORING. Maybe Harris will get a promotion? IDK.

I was also sobbing over Stiles' scenes. BUT. I was glad that after ALL SHE FUCKING WENT THROUGH THIS SEASON (which, in the end, even tho he tormented her, Peter was still the one to let her in on everything, guys), she was the one who saved Jackson. Fucking perfect. And that flashback scene. Ugh. It was fantastic. Loved it.

(Nevermind that Lydia made out with Scott in S1 - she got bored in the relationship, I think, I've been there, still loved the guy, but something had to give. I think that sometimes people who are madly in love with each other reach a point of stagnation where they need to fall apart before they can come back together. AT LEAST THIS IS MY HEADCANON BECAUSE OTHERWISE UGH JEFF DAVIS YOUR WRITING IS BAD IN THIS COUPLE. Because Lydia did say she never felt that way when Allison was all OMG I LOVE SCOTT in that one ep (2x06?). I'm choosing to believe this was more of Lydia hiding her feelings from her friends like she did all season. And Jackson. Well I'm still kind of >:[ at Jackson for dropping her so I will need some Jackson stan headcanons to fix this tbh. Um. Pretend this all makes sense.)

(Nick and I totally called the key earlier today? Yesterday? when I was all OHMYGOD REWATCH 2x05 RTFN IS THE TWEETED KEY THE SAME KEY LYDIA HAD? And it was. Woo.)

But there are still so many ... threads left. But Mama McCall is in on things now. And she works in the hospital, so perhaps she'll replace Deaton in some ways? AND WHAT IF SHE AND PETER DATE AGAIN. I would die. In a good way.

But Scott was all "derek you're not my alpha" but then...isn't Peter his alpha? Except he isn't an alpha. I love Peter. Team Pack (Derek/Peter/Isaac/Jackson) and Team Scott.

AND HOW FLAWLESS WAS ISAAC. He trusts his alpha so much. God. I love him so much. And Jackson. Ugh. Perfect for fic amirite?

And Scott. I adore his endless optimism and the final scene was absolutely amazing. I love that it sort of went back to the start (and hammered it home for us, obviously, thanks Jeff Davis, just in case we didn't get it on our own. Thanks.), and that Scott and Stiles are still friends and that that is the constant on the show. It's a good constant to have, I think, the normalcy among all the...insanity of the supernatural.

I'm also wondering what happened to Erica and Boyd (even though I'm still mad at them because I'm an enormous insane derek stan and DEREK DEREK DEREK DEREK DEREK HDU >:[) but I'm wondering if they'll be...dead? IDK.

I think I can logically and ... like a normal human being discuss all things. Except the Hales. It's like the Pendragons. I get all emotional and irrational and turn into the kind of people who no one wants to talk to. That's um part of why I left. Well, 1) I needed to get my shit together IRL. but 2) I'm insane about Derek Hale. Not even Tyler Hoechlin, either. I stan him, sure (BECAUSE HE IS FLAWLESS), but my poor broken Derek Hale. I just I can't. I know objectively he has flaws and isn't always right and isn't the victim. But I can't seem to have those thoughts be my surface thoughts, not when I wear my heart on my sleeve and when this character has broken me in so many ways. I hope with distance of the season being over, I'll be able to step back and maybe just sort myself out so that you aren't all judging me anymore, but I totally get if you are now, because I've gone just a bit off the deep end with my staning, which I've tried so hard to keep in check. To keep myself from screaming BUT DEREK HALE WHY DON'T ANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FUCKING MAN.

ETA: I think Deaton was totally orchestrating a plan to bring down Gerard for whatever reason and he used Scott because Scott trusted him and was already in the middle of it. So, we maaaaay be having a parallel puppet-puppeteer situation here POSSIBLY. With Deaton-Scott/Gerard-Jackson/Peter-Derek? IDKIDK. I don't want that last one but it's possible.

But also ugh. Now that I've thought more on it, I'm kind of mad at how neat and tidy everything got left. And I was talking to Christin about this and we agree that we're worried Jeff Davis lets fandom influence him too much, and I feel like this was something like that? He wanted no more shaking and crying and wanted to give fandom canon pack feels they'd written about since last year? IDKIDK.

Let's discuss the finale? :P

ETA: while I go back to normal-people levels of normalness and download the Grimm S2 opener. God. I cannot wait to get back to not feeling these FEELZ and just ... have normal feelings. Sigh.It's just so overwhelming.
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Date: 2012-08-14 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheswatching.livejournal.com
Will you love me when I've gone so far off the deep end, not even Stiles can keep me afloat? ARE YOU EVEN THAT FAR IN THE SHOW YET THAT THIS SENTENCE IS MAKING SENSE? Um.

Hi bb hi hi. *cuddles*

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Date: 2012-08-14 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tourdefierce.livejournal.com
I'm still not on Team Peter. I literally can't get over what he did to Laura and then, by extension, Derek. I can't. I'm like that rabid Derek fan you speak of. I'm irrational about it. I can't look at Peter and not snarl and I'm that person who LOVES the snarky characters. I can't manage it with him. I just look at him and think MURDER OF FAMILY VALUES AND HOPE AND FUTURE AND HAPPINESS.

I know. I can't even handle myself sometimes.

That being said, I enjoyed the Lydia/Jackson (although I'm confused about Jackson's eyes, I assumed that born werewolves had blue flashes but then again, is Jackson born now or born again from the Kanima business?) and didn't enjoy the Stiles/Lydia. Like, I don't mind it in all the other episodes but this one (especially the gift scene) was weird. It felt forced. Like, usually when shit is hitting the fan, Stiles is focused on what the hell is happening but here he was pulling a Scott and being distracted by Lydia and it felt weird. I dunno. This episode didn't have enough of Stiles IN THE ACTION. My heart was breaking with all the Papa Stilinski and Stiles portions (HELL YES) and Stiles' angst about being useless, just another person to worry about/save/mourn. So I was loving that although it was breaking me.

Daddy Argent wins as does Mama McCall--really all the parents were WINNING this episode. Allison's apology was lame. She went super psycho. I'm just not over it yet. Scott did well, but I was with you and getting creeped by the Vet, which is weird because I've loved him so far.

ISAAC. I have so many pack feels. I'm now 4K deep on pack fic right now. It's ridiculous and self-indulgent but I don't care. ISAAC.

FEELS. So many feels. The entire time.

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Date: 2012-08-14 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheswatching.livejournal.com
Ok. Peter/Laura stuff. See ok.

MY THING IS. And I wasn't fully in my...Derek feels here because once I go there...all hope is lost.

But ok. Laura. Peter. EVERYONE. Is and was keeping shit from Derek.

Laura from what we know basically up and left Derek without explanation really, and then got killed by Peter (who I'm giving the Allison excuse to - he was basically stuck inside his own body for 6 years, not a good place, he, like Gerard, was out for revenge. But unlike Gerard, wasn't TOTALLY psycho?)

Ugh. BUT THEN DEREK. OK. SO. RIGHT NOW. I JUST. PETER WAS THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON. WHO...used derek BUT TOLD HIM THE TRUTH. AND SPOKE TO HIM LIKE A PERSON, WITHOUT DERISION THAT TOTALLY UNDERMINED HIM. Not like fucking Deaton who was like "o hey promised your dead mom i'd take care of you, but you're a shitty alpha and you suck. also. YOUR MOM." (though the "trust scott" makes more sense now, in context.)

I love Isaac because he is broken like Derek, but he is dealing with it in a much healthier way. But he's always trusting Derek and supporting him and I think it's more than just wanting to protect/please his alpha. I think Isaac genuinely likes him, too.

And ugh Derek. I once read a meta thing that said that Derek uses threats and violence to get what he wants because no one will do anything for him because they care and he has no one but himself looking out for him. AND I CRIED.

Scott McCall has finally come into his own. FINALLY. I think he has actually grown so fucking much since 1x01. And that's such a revelation. Like, it was such subtle growth and all done behind the scenes, but the final scene I was like. Yeah. Wow. This dude is believable. This dude has a manageable situation now. This dude still has his best friend. And his mom. He's gonna be okay.


...what was I talking about. Jackson. Right. I think the reborn thing might be the theory I'd go for? Ugh. I have to say that as far as cinematography of that scene went. IT WAS FUCKING GLORIOUS. And I think that that may have been my downfall for this episode. Too distracted by the pretty and by them using the FUCKING THEME SONG FOR THAT FIGHT SCENE. I couldn't deal. And these are all...very instant thoughts/feelings. So I obviously haven't thought them all through properly and may get convinced of other things. IDK.

Allison. I hated her for a hot second this season. I think it's because I also lost my mom, but obviously had no one to blame and just...ugh she was being led around the nose by Gerard and really? We're always looking for answers when we grieve, and she thought she had them and Gerard used her so much for his own gain there. Ugh he was the worst. I thought she might get redemption this episode, and I'm glad that it's not all black and white and that she'll hopefully take time with Chris to grow into herself more and mourn and find her feet again.

And um. What else. Yes. Peter. I think I just...have this thing for almost irredeemable characters that are so broken. IDK. And I don't think Derek trusts him completely. He doesn't trust anyone (CUE SOBBING), but the basic instinct for him, because EVERYONE'S GONE (AND LEAVING) is to sort of cling to what he has - blood, family. And it's so sad and fucked up, because you're right. Peter did kill Laura. And Derek has no one else and his betas just left. And yeah it's sketchy timing, but I just...I want Peter to be good. I want Derek to have someone from his family there for him. UGh. That makes no sense. But I just. I want him to be okay. AND HE CAN'T BE. ;_;

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Date: 2012-08-14 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tourdefierce.livejournal.com
Peter: I want to like him. I want him to be good because he can always work to make up for the fuck-ups of the past. I'm just worried that as soon as Derek starts to trust him, Peter is going to turn all weird and evil again and BAM. ANOTHER HEARTBREAK FOR DEREK. Like, that's a lot of work. Not only does Peter murder his sister and then try and murder him, but he comes back from the dead to fuck with him again? I WANT TO LIKE HIM SO BADLY BUT I'M SO AFRAID. lol.

~Derek using threats and violence because he doesn't think anyone will help him otherwise: AHHH. SCREAMING AND CRYING.

This episode was WELL PRETTY. I definitely need to watch it again because I was so wrapped up in Jackson and how pretty him and Lydia were that I probably missed some things.

I LOVED the ending scene of Allison and her dad. I'm all about Allison getting it together and becoming more like her dad. But she was really selfish this season. I mean, Daddy Argent helped his wife off herself and that scene OH GOD THAT SCENE. I mean, Daddy Argent is grieving too and just--I mean, Isaac already has SO MANY ISSUES and now he's going to be perpetually afraid of Allison. LIke he's going to have nightmares about her sneaking into his room and stealing his shit and stabbing him. She's done some damage and I hope she knows that her actions aren't without consequences, ya know? She needs to mourn and figure her shit out but she always needs to know that she made some shit decisions and needs to own up to them.

I want Derek to have someone from his family there for him. THIS. I wish they could resurrect Laura. I want know what the story is there. Seriously.

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Date: 2012-08-14 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filmatleven.livejournal.com
re Deaton: We share a brain.

re Peter: We still share a brain.

re team Hale: Sensing a pattern here...

re Chris Argent: YEP.

re ALL THE STILES TEARS: *still weeping*

WHO THE FUCK IS IN WHAT PACK? I'm so damned confused now regarding the pack aspect. The only thing we know for sure is Derek, Peter, and Isaac are a pack.

Let's go back to team Hale for a moment. As odd as I find Peter & Derek going at Jackson at the same time, I'm irrationally excited for team Hale. I WANT Derek to have a part of his FAMILY in his pack. I want someone who had more experience before the fire to help guide Derek in becoming a proper Alpha. I WANT PETER TO BE THAT FOR DEREK. I've already been told I'm insane for this because 'what, Peter was A FUCKING NUTJOB IN SEASON 1 HOW COULD YOU WANT THAT?' and IDK but I just DO. I've wanted that for Derek since the beginning. someone to be ON HIS FUCKING SIDE for once.

I'm not helping you step back, am I? Okay, well if things become too much and you need to stan and go crazy for team Hale (ESPECIALLY DEREK), you know my e-mail address. And my twitter handle. And, you know, whatever *waves hand about* hit me up, I'm game.


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Date: 2012-08-14 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fuzzytomato02.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed the episode but I don't think it was the strongest of the season. That's my unpopular opinion.

Okay, so the Stiles/Lydia really bothered me. It was kind of weird. Like, okay, Stiles had a crisis of confidence. I get that. I think Gerard did that on purpose. He wanted Stiles out of the game b/c he knew what an asset Stiles is, so he played on that. That could've easily been done w/o the pining for Lydia. THOUGH, this could mean Stiles has moved on to...uh... better things :D :D

LOVED PAPA STILINSKI!! LOVED PAPA ARGENT!! LOVED PETER'S SNARK! That laptop scene was fabulous when Derek jumped back and Peter shut the lid. I laughed.


So, Derek. I love Derek. I think Derek needs help and I think that Peter will be there to help him. And I like that. I LOVED ISAAC. But it looks like Isaac's loyalty is in question. He helped Scott but went back with Derek. That was a little weird. So may be some conflict there. Anyway, back to Derek.... I just keep rooting for him to be the good guy but then he does something that I tilt my head at. Maybe Peter will help him. I think Derek needs to be as honest as he wants people to be with him. He holds things back too. Anyway, I love Derek and I want to be on his side. I also want him and Stiles to have more interaction because to me, those scenes are the best. :P (Tyler and Dylan are brilliant actors together).

Agree with you on Deaton. SOMETHING is going on there.



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Date: 2012-08-14 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] min7girl.livejournal.com
Dr. Deaton is the biggest manipulator in this show. From beginning to end he knows what everyone is doing and when. He has Scott, the one wolf that won't listen to Derek listening directly to him. He has Derek and his pack at his fingertips. And he knows all the hunter tricks of the trade. The man is THE most dangerous thing on the show. He has access to everything and everyone and made sure he did right from the beginning.

I also think he's gone to hunt down Grandpa wacko. But I also think he's off to get in good with the Alpha Pack. Because as I said earlier Dr. Deaton gets control of situations right from the beginning. This would also be a reason why he would need the back up of Ms. Goody-guidance

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Date: 2012-08-15 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misspopuri.livejournal.com
I'm on the fence about Deaton (I had to read the comments to figure out who you were talking about).

Scott is his own Alpha. I think they established that around 2x05 or 6.



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